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Monday, October 6, 2025

RESEARCH FINDING: These two ingredients are KEY to making better panto


It seems like forever ago that I started my PhD research exploring the question: "How does contemporary British Pantomime respond to Evolving Ideas of Identity?"  For those of you that have continued reading my blog, I'm sure it seems like even longer!

In truth, it's only been three years (nearly), and the end is very firmly in sight. In that time I have:

  • interviewed dozens of panto big wigs, 
  • held town hall meetings with my audiences, 
  • gathered stakeholder feedback, 
  • recorded dozens of hours of audio diaries, 
  • innovated the form, and 
  • analysed my companies data to death.  
  • And read about a bajillion books about pantomime history.  
  • And another bajillion about identity politics.  
  • And at least two bajillion about academic methodology (don't even...) 
  • Oh, and best of all - I've produced 7 pantomimes, which I used as a test bed to put my research and ideas into practice.  
I am knackered.  I look forward to publishing my research next year, telling you all what I've discovered, along with my recommendations for best practice.  BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG... Right here, on this very blog I can reveal for the first time ever  

My Top Two Innovative Contributions to the Form!!!!

* Application of the Hyperlocal Lens *

* The Repositioning of Meaning-Value with a Gifting Paradigm *


"What are you on about?"  

"Why those two things?"

"How did you get to that decision?"

So many questions! I know - it's exciting, isn't it?  Let me explain... from the very beginning. It's a very good place to start. (Apparently - Julie A.)


The Big Bang (T = -6 months)

I got the idea to start my research after a very effervescent conversation about race and Aladdin.  The conversers were a diverse bunch with loads of different opinions, and I found myself defending the "it's traditional" corner.  Before anyone gets any silly ideas: I wasn't in the "slap on some yellow face paint and pigtails" corner, just the: as long as everyone is respectful, it's surely OK to set it in China camp.  

Stockport Plaza: Past pantomimes - Manchester Evening News
The Emperor of China, Stockport Plaza (2012).
Yellow masking tape over eyes, Wickes (£3.50 per roll)
NB Going by the poster, the upcoming 2025 production features the same costume track! -
hopefully the make-up pad has run out of yellow by now...

I love a good argument!  I'm not even very averse to a bad one, from time to time.  However, in this case I found myself frustrated - not because I was losing. Because I was shut out.  I was white, middle-class, privileged - I had no first hand experience of "feeling yellow," or racial discrimination - and therefore, my view was deemed worthless and therefore disregarded. I'm eager to concede that there is huge and irreplaceable value to be derived from those with lived experience, both in the perspective that it may offer and also in the profundity of subjective truth that it can unlock - however, doing so would not help me.  Even if one could change race, to do so just to win an argument would surely be the worst type of colonialism. 

With all other options off the table, it is to my great chagrin that my antagonistic-ape-brain conjured up for me a secondary, more obscure route by which I might enhance my credibility: "All you need to do" it whispered, "is become the world's expert in that field, and then, come back in 4 years time and retort "AHA! My opinion does matter!"

Stupid, petty, peevish ape-brain... why are you always inventing the most ridiculous strategies just to try and defend your overinflated ego?!

Six months later I was enrolled as a PhD candidate.


Aladdin (T = 12 months)

That Christmas we produced Aladdin at the Met in Bury.   It was the second time we'd staged the show - this time in a much bigger town with vastly different demographics.  Our production practices were informed by what I was learning - we tried different approaches to casting, rewrote the script to reflect different heritages of the actors, even remade a few costumes. However, I didn't lose sight of the main aim: vindication.

The production did end up with a more ethnically diverse cast, but it also had:

  • Traditional Peking location
  • Glittery Chinese set and cloths
  • Chinese policemen
  • An Empress in traditional style costume and black wig
  • Hanfu inspired costumes
  • A traditional Chinese liondancer costume
  • Travel to Egypt
  • Traditional laundry scene
  • Traditional character names
  • A gong sound effect
  • The Old Bazaar in Cairo
  • Sand dance choreography

It also had zero audience complaints, record box office takings, and excellent reviews across the board - including a review in the British Theatre Guide that acknowledged the production "sticks to its traditional setting... while avoiding any uncomfortable racial stereotyping" and "is made by people who clearly love the form."

"There," I thought, "that proves it - it can be done."  I should have felt vindicated, but actually, I felt like... I was answering the wrong question.

The tropes of Aladdin were solidified over 100 years ago, in Victorian Britain - a Britain that was very, very different to the country we live in today.  Not just demographically, but culturally, and also internationally.  The reasons why the Victorians included all these conventions in the panto have either dissipated or withered away.

"OK," I thought.  "So, you can defend Victorian Aladdin. But so what?  Why should we bother?"

If the Victorians used pantomime to build their identity, why shouldn't we?  If pantomime could help build an empire, what else could it do?  It seemed to me, these were much better questions!


★★★★★ 

"Pure family Christmas entertainment and everything you want for a fun filled two and a half hours (including interval), take the family and enjoy"

ABOUT MANCHESTER

 

Rumpelstiltskin (T = 12-24 months)

My first attempt to explore these questions was Rumpelstiltskin.  

No. Days to rehearse the play: 8
No. Days for Will to make the cartouche hang straight: 1.5

It was a familiar title with a mostly-forgotten story, which was great for me.  I bastardised the script and turned it into a play about otherisation and in-/out-grouping dynamics.  Even though the production felt super traditional, it challenged fundamental tenets of the form including what it means to be a villain and the Boalian positioning of the audience as spect-actors.  I loved turning everything upside down, encouraging the children to sell their souls to Rumpelstiltskin in act 1 and hearing the whole audience chanting spells for his revival by the end.  Dramaturgically it had such depth, we had some audience members weeping, yet we managed to deliver it with a lightness of touch that made it relatable for all ages.  It was in the words of the Manchester Evening News a "family crowdpleaser that punches well above its weight."

Rumpelstiltskin 2023 | The Big Tiny
Nancy Penvose (left) was so dedicated to the role of Rumpelstiltskin
she purposefully lost 4" of height during rehearsal to make him appear more vulnerable

It was a great first foray into how panto could address issues of identity.  But it did so passively.  It was time to try a more active approach.

The Victorians didn't use panto to talk about identity, the used it to create identity.  "I'm going to have a go at that," I thought.  Then spent a few months wondering what identity I wanted to create.

A great fact I'd picked up somewhere from some book that I'm currently too lazy to look back up is: by 1900, 60% of all London pantomimes were staged at least partially in another country. Aladdin was incredibly popular, but even titles like Cinderella had been spruced up (with one production being set in Ethiopia) and seemingly every time we had a war (which was a lot of times, btw) some production of Jack and the Beanstalk would personify our opponent as the Giant.  That's all well and good if you're trying to inculcate an imperial identity within an ethically homogenous, not internationally travelling audience.  But I don't have one of those - so I'd have to do some more thinking.


The Hyperlocal Lens

During my research, I've been keeping a reading log.  I'm now up to about 300 books, which is about right for a PhD bibliography.  But unlike other PhD bibliographies, mine reads like marched through a library with a blunderbuss full library cards, randomly shooting at every disciplinary section and reading the first five books on any shelf I hit.  

Partly this is because when I started I was so ill-informed that I had to get up to base level on pretty much everything all at once.  I've read books on Victorian pantomime, the British Empire, Crip Theory, Feminist theory, Orientalism, Identity Theory, Identity Politics, Psychology, Post-Colonialism... you get the idea.

It was about this time, as I was getting immersed in Media Studies, that I came across the idea of hyperlocality: a way of thinking about geographically bounded shared cultural experience.  Or in other words, things made for people who live near each other.  It was a really interesting lens. Over the last 100 years, demographic shift had changed the make up of panto audiences so much that the rationale underpinning the conventions of the genre was increasingly unsound. Unlike Victorian audiences, modern pantogoers are not a sea of white, Christian, or even British faces - so what are they?  Well, unless you're producing the Palladium panto... they are all local.

Welcome back League of Gentlemen, you work of utter despicable genius | The  League of Gentlemen | The Guardian
This is a local pantomime for local people!

Ironically, Victorian panto producers were already onto this idea, long before Media Studies even existed.  The go-to academic on the topic of regional pantomime production 1860-1900 is Jill Sullivan who first showed in her PhD thesis (2005) "the available empirical evidence has served to foreground the pantomime text as an expression of local concerns and political interests that were particular to each town and displayed an acute awareness of issues of regional identity and status."  

Tip-off: Sullivan's book on the topic:  "The Politics of the Pantomime: Regional Identity in the Theatre 1860–1900" is a fantastic read for anyone interested in the topic (as it was particularly for me, as it has a plethora of specific examples of pantomimes staged in Manchester.)

The Politics of the Pantomime | Independent Publishers Group


These hyperlocal conventions seem to get slowly shed by commercial producers during the twentieth century, as mass media shrinks first the country and then the world.  Popular comedy routines become embedded, divorced from their original meaning and then stale.  The pursuit of economies of scale lead to the consolidation of regional contracts into large portfolios of a small number of national players.  The final death knell for hyper localism may well have been heard with the casting of international celebrities, as documented by the UKPA's Simon Sladen.

In the process, the form lost two things of immense value: urgent relevance and connection to their audiences.  I want them back.  And I think we can get them.

A note of caution: Victorian Pantomime production and contemporary practice face vastly different contemporary mores and demographies.  Victorian pantomimes reinforced local identity as a foil against London-centred homogenisation of extent regional cultures. Modern pantomime must respond to modern audiences who increasingly originate from diverse locations and may include transitory and immigrant populations with few or no long standing ties to the local area and/or theatre tradition.  When we use pantomime to reinforce local identity, we do so not to defend, but to create.  For the modern producer, hyperlocality is an action, not a reaction - and as such, demands a greater level of sophistication, forethought and precision in its application.


Mother Goose (T = 24 months)

The next iteration of my practice was a hyperlocal production of Mother Goose which we made from scratch specifically for Saddleworth.  I'm not the first person to reimagine this outdated story in the present moment - in our production, Mother Goose didn't wish for beauty or youth, but 100000 TikTok followers instead.  

Despite his best efforts, hyperlocal puppy Toby was largely ineffective at installing the set

Not only did we make it much more relevant for right now, at the same time we made great efforts to make it relevant right here. We made it hyperlocal.

I love Saddleworth, and so does my audience.  So it seemed like the natural place to set the story.  We went round the town taking photos of interesting and recognisable views - views which we then reimagined in our cloth designs.  Saddleworth is a rural community, so I dumped the demon and brought in a Fox... from Fox Entertainment in Media City, Manchester (the valley and the identity of those who live there is distinct from, and contrasted to their giant metropolis next door).  I wrote in dialect, and filmed VT sections around the town with local people and familiar faces, which we then projected as part of the show.  

Imaginary villain Phineas Fox played by real-life fox Tessa Vale 

Outside the auditorium I called town hall meetings and took polls on what the audience thought was important.  We visited local events throughout the year, in costume.  We engaged with local drama groups, schools and charities, running workshops and competitions.

It was in the production of this show that I felt, as a practitioner, the reward I had hoped would have come from our Chinese-Aladdin.  Aladdin had been my show.  Mother Goose was Saddleworth's show.  And the audience knew it!

Mother Goose led me to articulate another vital pillar of my theoretical framework: 


Meaning-Value and the Gifting Paradigm

When I had started, I had viewed meaning as a thing to be owned, as exemplified in thoughts such as: "You don't own the story Aladdin, just because you've got Chinese heritage," or "I can use my production to create my own meaning."

I have now come to understand that greater value of meaning is realised not through the act of claiming ownership over it, but through the act of giving ownership away.

Pantomime is a commercial form.  Producers make shows to sell.  The most successful and canny producers have a very firm understanding of their target audience: demography, price points, access requirements, celebrity draws. Their production processes are well-oiled machines, turning out palatable productions that equate to bums on seats.  One might say that these producers make these shows for their audience. This is a linguistic trick.  Actually, they make their shows for profit.  The pantomime production is a product, owned by the company, and rented out in 2-hour viewing slots to their target demographics. 

If a pantomime production were truly made for an audience, ownership must be exchanged.  Production processes are still acts of creation, but not of a product, but of a gift.   The distinction is hugely important.

A product is something you can buy off the shelf, generic, available to anyone, anywhere.  Commercial producers love making products - products are very profitable. They can be made to a blueprint by on a schedule, on a line, by workers who only do one thing. Products can be made from interchangeable parts so they are easy to replicated, standardised and predicted.  Products are replaceable.  When somebody buys a product, they buy one instance; the company retains the blueprints and the processes to turn out another instance, and another and so on ad infinity.

When you make a gift for someone, you do so with that person at the forefront of your mind - from the start to the end of the process/. You think about what they already have, and imagine what they might need or want or be delighted by. To make a gift is to make something bespoke, one-off, especially for them, especially by you.  When you give a gift, you relinquish control. It still remains your creation - just as one might recognise a painting as "a Picasso," without implying Picasso still owns it - it just stops being your thing.  

For all the reasons commercial producers love making products, they really don't like making gifts.  Even making a gift for someone you know takes thought, creativity and imagination - and the process is ten times harder if it's someone you only see once a year.  Worst of all, even if you make the perfect gift, once you've given it away, you have to start over again.  Different gifts suit different people - a fact much attestested to by, and at the annoyance of, every Christmas Eve shopper who wishes they could by 12 of one thing and call it quits.


5 signs your show is a product, not a gift.

  1. The references are interchangeable.  
    • "It could be worse, you could be in <insert name of local town>".
  2. The jokes are replicated.  
    • Same jokes as last year?  
    • Same jokes as the production company other shows?
  3. The roles are archetypes not characters.  
    • The actors play DAME and COMIC, not SARAH and BILLY.
  4. The costumes and set are a hodgepodge of what the producer/hire company/actor has in stock 
    • "We'll work out something funny to say when he comes on during rehearsal."

  5. It contains scenes, routines or lines that somebody else wrote for some other play or film, for some other actors in some other context (and possibly some other generation.) 
    • "We'll do that bit - you know that whatshisface does - does anyone remember how it goes?"

The Pied Piper of Hamelin (T= 36 months)

This year's production in Bury will be testbed for my theories and the culmination of my research.  Everything about the production is hyperlocal, from the ground up.  It's been a heck of a task to prep everything, but with 6 weeks until rehearsals, I've got a feeling we're going to give over something quite extraordinary to the people of Bury this Christmas.

There's no space left in this blog to explain how we've applied the lens of hyperlocalism, and the framework of meaning-gifting to all the different parts of our process.  If you want that kind of detail you'll have to wait for the 100,000 word thesis to come out sometimes next summer.  Not only am I recording my journey, I'm establishing recommendations for best practice - so we call all make panto better together.

Of course, if you don't want to wait that long, you can buy a ticket and come and see for yourself!

The Pied Piper of Hamelin | The Met

5 Signs to watch out for, that show The Pied Piper was made as a gift, not a product
(and good ideas to nab and reinvent in your own practice):

 

1.    Themes are relevant to this audience at this time. 

    Everyone in Bury gets a wish every time Bury FC are promoted

    The villain is seeking to develop the land beneath the market 

2.   Local references, characters and plot points hard baked into the script, not added on!

PEEWEE: Where are all the black puddings? Have you checked upper Ramsbottom?

BEA:          I did. I found something.  But it definitely wasn't black pudding.

          ORANGE PEEL: Quiet you two, or I'll invent the police and have you all arrested!

3.    Comedy and meaning emanate from the shared experience of the local audience.

Singing.

Market day in the borough of bury
half hour wait for a table at spoons
half a mile tailback into bury
Grind to a halt on
The b-road from Bolton
And you’ll be here soon!  

4.    Physical elements are designed or sourced specifically to facilitate the moments made by the script-in-performance.

 eg, The front cloth is a map of the town

the portals are Peel Tower and Bury Market sign

the mayor is costumed as an Orange (referencing famous Buryite Robert Peel)

5.    The community are engaged with during the process, not just at the moment of transaction.

Audition slots set aside for local residents.  Local casting.

Opportunities made available for local communities and creatives

Local businesses sponsoring access provision

Follow up surveys and opportunities for feedback




Tuesday, April 15, 2025

The Dame, The Heckler and the UK Pantomime Awards

Hello and welcome back to the blog!

Sorry, I haven't been blogging for a while.  I've actually taken a 6 month hiatus from my PhD studies, but I restarted again at the start of this month.  I don't like to whinge - but I ended up having to write 5 plays in a year and the workload was getting on top of me.   However, I'm back, and just as opinionated as ever.  HOORAY!  So buckle in, you're in for a treat.

In case you just missed it, last Sunday was the UK Pantomime Awards.  



What am I talking about?  Of course you didn't miss it!  It's the one event in everyone's calendar that everyone who's anyone has booked out a year in advance.  Particularly this year - it's not often you have a good excuse to go to Woking.

We had a great time! Not only was it great to meet up as an industry and celebrate the art form, it was nice to see old friends, as well as some new faces... we even saw some new faces on some very old friends.  And very good they looked too!

Great choice of hosts!

Dave Benson Phillips I've met before.  In fact, Will and I won Get Your Own Back Live at the Edinburgh Fringe a few years back and got to gunge some unfortunate couple who simply were not nearly as quick as us at putting a cover on a duvet.  More fool them.  I imagine Dave still mentions our win from time to time, but unfortunately, on this occasion, I didn't have opportunity to ask him about it.  There once was a rumour going round the North West pantomime circles that Dave Benson Phillips was related to panto producer Anton Benson, which may or may not be true... I do feel safe in publicly quashing the rumour that they are front for Benson Beds, which has previously been the most far-fetched and delightful rumour anyone's attempted to foist onto me. (OMG, if I get fact checked and that is actually true, I will eat my mattress.)

Kids TV Legend, Dave Benson Phillips
Owner-Operator of a Mystical Magical Waistcoat


The second host - Elaine C Smith - is definitely one of my favourite comedy actors.  If you're as old as me, you'll probably first have seen her on Rab C Nesbitt, but if I had to pick my favourite TV performance of hers it would be Christine in Two Doors Down (a part for which she deservedly won a Scottish BAFTA).  Honestly, until you have seen her rendition of Delaney's Donkey, you haven't lived.  We wept with laughter! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000qs3k/two-doors-down-christmas-special around the 14min mark.  Thank me later).  As of last Sunday, Elaine can now also add to her many accolades, the UKPA award for Outstanding Achievement in Pantomime.  AND WELL DESERVED IT IS TOO!  For those of you not in the know, Elaine has for many years been one of Scotland's most successful pantomime Dames.  Yes, a woman can play Dame! Yes, you can share your own dissenting opinion in the comment section on Facebook.  Everyone's entitled to their opinion.  But not everyone's entitled to a UKPA award for Outstanding Achievement in Pantomime. Elaine C Smith is!

Elaine C Smith at the UK Panto Awards
Performing her 3rd encore of Delaney's Donkey

The third host was the wonderful La Voix.  Up our way, La Voix is an institution - deservedly so... I have rarely met a performer so bloomin' fantastic on stage who is every bit as charming, kind and charismatic once all the make-up comes off.  Another thing I love about La Voix is how quick-witted she is, particularly off-the-cuff, particularly dealing with hecklers.  It was therefore a delight to see her shooting back put-downs at some plonker who was heckling her from seat J3.  Exactly what they were heckling, I can't remember.  Whatever it was, it must have been funny - the dashing chap in the yellow suit from the Colchester Mercury panto was certainly laughing.  However, I can, with some confidence tell you all why they were heckling - because I had snaffled 3 glasses of wine at the Howdens Insurance RSVP reception, and dagnammit... I wanted to heckle.  (It is the pantomime awards after all.)

Legend in Saddleworth and beyond, La Voix
shortly before putting on wig and make-up

Incidentally, I did quite enjoy the Howden's reception.  I had quite a lot to of questions about insurance as I now also apparently run the UK's largest inter-theatre hire site (www.pursuedbybear.co.uk).  I also LOVED meeting the wonderful team from Regal Entertainment in St Helens.  What a smashing bunch of people, with very fabulous outfits.  And they're Northern and totally down to Earth, so at least four hundred bonus points there.  

If you allow me to go off-piste slightly here, I'd like to make a quick rant about how nice it is to meet people who are down to Earth. It's a quality all of us could usefully hone. Particularly panto people.  Let's all get real for a moment: we're cross-dressing, singing and dancing, audience loving, applause seeking artisans - not royalty. Surely we should be able to talk to each other without the other person looking over our shoulder in case someone more famous should arrive. (Seemingly, it's often the most celebrated people who seem to be the most generous with their attention - and if I don't say it here, I won't say it: OMG, I love Eric Potts. What a lovely man, who always makes time for people, wherever they are in the industry).

We were at the awards in support of one of our wonderful Lighting Designers: Matthew Hodgkiss, who designed and lit Rumpelstiltskin at The Met, Bury.  Matthew was nominated for Best Newcomer to the Industry - which he totally deserved... what a fantastic job he did... And fresh out of graduating from uni!  (I know techies are in short supply since Covid, so you better believe I got him in contract before I lauded him in this blogpost).  Unfortunately, this time, Matthew didn't win, but (I think) he was the only techie to even be nominated for this category, which in my book is its own kind of win.  Plus, he's an absolutely smashing fellow, which makes him a winner in life.

Unfortunately, during the interval I learned that my friend had died, so I actually spent the second half of the awards on the phone with his wife.  The heckling stopped.

However, despite not seeing the evening through, I still have some FIRM opinions about the event, and generally about the awards (of course I do), which I will now list below in the order in which I remember them.  I hope they inspire any combination of outrage, delight, reflection and comments, but most of all, FB shares because I haven't blogged for 6 months, and I really need to get my views back up.

Woking, City of Culture 1438

1. Woking.  TBF the theatre was lovely.  But, I mean... Woking. OK, it's not Slough.  But it's not Guildford either.  Even then, Guildford's not London... and let's be honest.  London is hardly Manchester.  I'm not saying the next awards have to be in Manchester, but can they be somewhere that's not the Home Counties?  It is the UK panto awards after all, and the country extends beyond Surrey.  OK - I'm being facetious for comic effect here, but honestly, it is expensive to travel your team down, hotel rooms, dinners etc. and that's before factoring in the cost of having Will's new suit fitted. (totally worth it... picture below).  Additionally, we're not such a huge industry, I for one would love to play host to our friends at the next party... or to go visit our friends in the Midlands, or North East, or (can you imagine: even in...) Wales or Scotland.  Something to think about.

What a lovely suit, William!
Even though I saw it first, and it should have been mine.


2. More information - I love the big old projection screen on the stage - but (if I remember correctly) last year I think the names of the nominees were also accompanied by the shows, theatres and companies that they worked with.  I'm only one punter, but I really like that format.  It's nice to see where everyone's come from, and who's doing things to look out for.  Can this be reinstated?  Ooh - and maybe also, we could have pictures to see what the shows looked like.  Did we have that in the Trafalgar Theatre in 2023?  I think we might have done, and I loved it - or we didn't, and I imagined it... either way, I think it's a splendid idea.

The programme from 2023 told us a bit about the nominees.  
e.g. Ben Richards nominated for best script Robin Hood

3. Signposting - The UKPA is vanguarding evolution within the industry.  I know from the comments under previous blogs, some people have a few grumbles about that, but honestly, I think it's fair enough - the industry does need to change to keep up, plus, unless you're prepared to set up your own rival panto awards, I'm discounting your grumble by 90%.  I think the approach is particularly successful when awarding specific practice that the organisation is seeking to foster: e.g. the award for inclusive practice (honestly, the award I most aspire to one day achieve), or the award for pantomime history, tradition and heritage.  Also, IMHO, only one tiny tweak away from perfection is the award for innovation (yes, please!  We need innovation) - my tweak would be: when awarding the title, to name what innovation was made - e.g. innovation in transgender casting, or innovation in special effects etc... this would better signpost the values the organisation's promoting (both to panto insiders, as well as the general public).

4. Exposition - I'm willing to bet I see more pantos than most (the curse/delight of professional research), and even I feel at sea faced with all the companies, theatres and shows represented at the awards.  I'm not really sure how UKPA might achieve this - but what this punter, sample-size-of-one, would quite like is some background info.  Tell me: what made these five pairs of sisters so brilliant, what made the judges go mad for these costume designs!  Pantomime isn't the Oscars - we haven't all seen everyone else's shows... (I imagine because we were all far too knackered during December).  Not only would a little bit of exposition titilate nosey parkers like me, but importantly it would help spread best practice, better promulgating the aims of the UKPA as well as providing a window into the industry through which media-bods and the like could watch the wheels of change as they turn.

The turning wheels of the panto industry
Alex - I know this is your image, but I'm hoping we're friends enough for me to use it?!


That's my twopennethworth.  If you want to know why I'm wrong, please read the comments below.

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